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Year 8 Day 198 0:39	Since when...
Wilhelm von Ismay	Was it against the rules to modify a WIKI claiming to be an official branch of the Star Wars Combine (the "Compedia" of Wesker's)? Now, I want to know how actually writing known information and the truth in an environment created for the free exchange and modification of information was a bad thing? I'd suggest the Combine Staff prohibit Hackworth from claiming the "Compedia" is a legitimate part of the Star Wars Combine beyond a fan site and in no way represents the Combine, its staff, its players, or its Administration. The rules state: = You may NOT: Hack or infiltrate web pages, chat rooms, or any other PRIVATE areas of a group or organisation Compedia is not a Combine group or organization, rather an out-of-game site attempting to appear official in function. Nor did I hack nor did I infiltrate any sort of private area of any organization. Being the owner of numerous wikis, I know of options to limit access, editing, etc. though I prefer to instead to keep my wikis at least open to registered members, though very rarely do I limit account access. I've also heard these nasty rumors that I'm going to be banned for "breaking the spying rules" because I've stated that Tnsumi K Shine is "Intrepid", the "Navy" CO of the Lyran Union. Hackworth attempted to claim that such is a "state secret" and must be protected by such rules! Using precedent, I would strongly suggest the Admins force a handle change on Shine. Tee/Xya was forced to have a name change for using the name of a dead/previous character when she re-created by ASim Cam Antilles. I will admit that Ronald Kovani gave me information. About twelve hours ago out of anger at being called a spy on the GNS. This is a few days after he departed the Lyran Union, mind you, due to a personality conflict between himself and Shine. He was loyal to the Lyrans until then, contrary to me encouraging him to leave them (which I do with all friends in groups my faction is enemies of). Which, I might add, is legitimate: You May: • Defect to another group, then reveal to your new group information you know about your old group. ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 8 Day 198 1:08	Since when...
Adam Diggins	Isn't a purpose of a wiki to allow anyone to update it if they have more relevant correct infomation? ____________ Adam comes home from a hard day at work and upon opening the door he sees his wife kaylynn dressed very sexy in some lingerie. Kaylynn says "take me to bed and tie me up and you can do whatever you like!" So Adam takes her to bed, ties her to it and t

Year 8 Day 198 1:33	Since when...
Riax Tardes	Compedia is an OOC thingy, that rule can't apply. That does not necessarily mean that you didn't hack it. I don't know what you did, but hacking means to get access or modify something you aren't supposed to. You can't use the argument: "I saw the door was open and decided to let myself in", since hacking often means finding backdoors.

Year 8 Day 198 1:38	Since when...
Wilhelm von Ismay	It's a wiki. I pressed the edit button. ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 8 Day 198 1:42	Since when...
Ronald Kovani	Which is an option available to all users as well as non-users. I, not being logged in, could edit the page as well.

Year 8 Day 198 2:11	Since when...
Tyr DeMeer	This is being looked into and before there is some sort a conclusion this discussion will most likely not bring anything interesting out of it, except various parties starting to bash each other. and yes as far as I know compedia is not an official part of swc. ____________

Year 8 Day 198 3:09	Since when...
Riax Tardes	Does the Wiki have some "Terms of use" that you may have been broken?

Year 8 Day 198 10:37	Since when...
Jeb`el Ras	“Was it against the rules to modify a WIKI claiming to be an official branch of the Star Wars Combine (the "Compedia" of Wesker's)? Now, I want to know how actually writing known information and the truth in an environment created for the free exchange and modification of information was a bad thing? I'd suggest the Combine Staff prohibit Hackworth from claiming the "Compedia" is a legitimate part of the Star Wars Combine beyond a fan site and in no way represents the Combine, its staff, its players, or its Administration. ” I don't see anything where it claims to be the offiicial wiki of SWC. “ The rules state: = You may NOT: Hack or infiltrate web pages, chat rooms, or any other PRIVATE areas of a group or organisation Compedia is not a Combine group or organization, rather an out-of-game site attempting to appear official in function. ” Clearly, it can be considered an organisation {Merriam-Webster - organization b : an administrative and functional structure (as a business or a political party); also : the personnel of such a structure; Cambridge Dictionary - organization: a group whose members work together for a shared purpose in a continuing way} and the spying rules regarding hacking would definitely apply .. unless you want to argue that it's OK for SWC members to hack SWC related sites unless they are an official faction site? “ Nor did I hack nor did I infiltrate any sort of private area of any organization. Being the owner of numerous wikis, I know of options to limit access, editing, etc. though I prefer to instead to keep my wikis at least open to registered members, though very rarely do I limit account access. I've also heard these nasty rumors that I'm going to be banned for "breaking the spying rules" because I've stated that Tnsumi K Shine is "Intrepid", the "Navy" CO of the Lyran Union. Hackworth attempted to claim that such is a "state secret" and must be protected by such rules! ” How the hell is editing a wiki considered hacking? Isn't editing one of the primary functions of a wiki? Trent is free to remove your post, since it's his site (ignoring here what that then says about the credibility of the site), but accusing you of hacking and breakign the spying rules is nonsense. On the other hand, I can fully understand why you'd make this post since the spying rules are so often applied in an arbitrary fashion, and changed on a whim. We all know that if the site belonged to certain others, a ban for breaking spying rules would not be unexpected, ridiculous as it would be. ____________ ' ' ', ` Jeb`el eXiles CEO Galactic Federation of Free Alliances Senator Commodore (ret), DCMF When all its work is done, the lie shall rot; The truth is great, and shall prevail, When none cares whether it prevail or not. - Coventr

Year 8 Day 198 12:14	Since when...
Wilhelm von Ismay	Hackworth was the one claiming that I was "hacking" and breaking the spying rules. [Trent_Hackworth] I have reason to belive you've been Vandalizeing the Compedia. [Trent_Hackworth] And breacheing the Spying rules [Wilhelm] You'd be wrong [Wilhelm] But you are an imbecile, so that's expected. ... [Wilhelm] Wiki - a website that allows visitors to add, remove, and edit content. A collaborative technology for organizing information on Web sites. ... [Trent_Hackworth] Yes [Trent_Hackworth] Good for you [Trent_Hackworth] Not while Posting State Secrets you Moron [Wilhelm] State secrets? [Trent_Hackworth] Does the Wikipedia allow Porn? No. I needent say more [Wilhelm] Public knowledge is a state secret? [Wilhelm] Actually, I've seen nude photos on wikipedia. They even have a pregnant 10 year old on there somewhere in the article on the youngest person to have given birth. [Wilhelm] Guess what? When someone leaves a group and makes information known to others, it's GASP not in breach of the spying rules or "state secrets" [Wilhelm] You're an idiot Wesker. Always have been, always will be. (Trent_Hackworth) WvI is gonna be banned (Trent_Hackworth) I pulled his IP off the edit (Trent_Hackworth) and Khan ran it for me (Trent_Hackworth) Matched up to, and ONLY up to WvI I'm gonna be banned for editing a wiki =) ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 8 Day 198 15:04	Since when...
Trent Hackworth	ToS of the Compedia include that you may NOT use the Compedia to breach ANY SWC Rules including the Spying rules. It was requested by Mr. Shine that I handle this matter for him as he's going to the Army OOC. WvI claims that he could get around any ban that I may out in place which if he attempts such would be Hacking. My State Secrets Example was referring to the IRL Wikipedia. Are you allowed to post Plans to Assassinate the President on the Wikipedia? Or the best way to Build a Nuke? Same basic principle. Oh, and WvI I'd been takeing this up in private with the Admin and I cannot understand why you wish to make such a scene... Edited By: Trent Hackworth on Year 8 Day 198 15:10

Year 8 Day 198 16:25	Since when...
Adam Diggins	“ToS of the Compedia include that you may NOT use the Compedia to breach ANY SWC Rules including the Spying rules. - Trent Hackworth ” Exactly how was the spying rule broken? Because he added public knowledge? That's not a crime or else posting anything on a wiki is a crime. “It was requested by Mr. Shine that I handle this matter for him - Trent Hackworth ” So the real reason comes out. Personal favors all around! “Are you allowed to post Plans to Assassinate the President on the Wikipedia? - Trent Hackworth ” Actually I'm pretty sure you can as long as you are outside US territory (and thus not subject to the patriot act) but that's a different topic. Lets stay on topic. “I cannot understand why you wish to make such a scene... - Trent Hackworth ” Because of your inferior intellectual capacity is made readily more apparent much to the delight of the rest of us readers when Wilhelm engages in a debate with you where you are substantially out classed? Close this up gents, this debate is not going to accomplish much more. ____________ Adam comes home from a hard day at work and upon opening the door he sees his wife kaylynn dressed very sexy in some lingerie. Kaylynn says "take me to bed and tie me up and you can do whatever you like!" So Adam takes her to bed, ties her to it and t

Year 8 Day 198 16:37	Since when...
Ridley Forge	I'm just going to express my views now. They should not be in any way taken as the view of the NAO, Forge-Zerquino Enterprises, or any other group which has close contact with myself. However, I'm going to be polite, as being rude and brash is not big and not clever. Mr Hackworth, with all due respect I would have to conclude that Wilhelm von Ismay is not guilty of breaching the spying rules, or of hacking. “ToS of the Compedia include that you may NOT use the Compedia to breach ANY SWC Rules including the Spying rules. - "Trent Hackworth" ” This may be true (I haven't looked at the ToS myself, as I haven't visited Compedia knowingly). However, if the alleged informant had left his/her faction prior to supplying the information then as far as I can see it is not a breach of the rules. “WvI claims that he could get around any ban that I may out in place which if he attempts such would be Hacking - "Trent Hackworth" ” If Count Ismay did indeed circumvent a ban under which you placed him, then I believe that would be classed as hacking. However, as far as I can tell, no such ban was in place, and the article/s in question were open to editing by all. Therefore, Count Ismay has to my understanding not committed any breach of rules pertaining to either the Combine or Compedia. If any information was posted there which the Lyran Union didn't like being up there, then it should be resolved as a private matter. If there is no breach of rules then I don't see the need for the administration to be involved. ____________

Year 8 Day 198 16:49	Since when...
Gaal Zerquino	Once again, a little dispute between parties comes to the public attention because someone wants to use it against another without any good argument... What Trent said is not acceptable by any means... modifying a wiki is not hacking, it's the main function of a wiki to be modified... But then again, maybe Trent needs to get Wil banned just because he doesn't like him... ____________

Year 8 Day 198 17:05	Since when...
Trent Hackworth	...You guys just can't read can you? WvI has said that he could get around any Ban i could put in place. I never said there WAS one in place until AFTER he did this. If he DOES bypass the Ban that will be Hacking and another Violation of the Spying Rules. Mr. Shine is going to be gone for Several Weeks because he's in the Army. “So the real reason comes out. Personal favors all around! ” I couldn't care less about Shine Frankly but as Admin of the Compedia it's my problem to ensure that the Compedia, at no times violates any Combine rules. He requested that I help handle it. Nothing more, Nothing less. I frankly couldn't care less about WvI and his wonderful attitude.

Year 8 Day 198 17:27	Since when...
Ridley Forge	Mr Hackworth, I shall agree that if Count Ismay were to bypass any ban put in place, it would be a hacking violation. However you say 'another violation of the spying rules', and I don't see how there was an initial violation in the first place. As Admin of the Compedia it is certainly your job to administer the Compedia to ensure it doesn't break any Combine rules. However, your responsibility - and authority - end there, and it should be left up to the admins to decide whether it was a breach of spying rules. You have voiced your opinion on the matter, as have I, Count Ismay and Sir Gaal. Let's let everyone else voice theirs too :) Regarding WvI's 'wonderful attitude', I very rarely see polite debates on the forums. This saddens me slightly, but with all due respect Mr Hackworth, you haven't been 100% polite either. Also, this post was written entirely without the use of the caps lock key. I don't wish to sound like I'm 'shouting' at anyone. Edited By: Ridley Forge on Year 8 Day 198 17:46 ____________

Year 8 Day 198 22:11	Since when...
Wilhelm von Ismay	There is no hacking involved in avoiding a wiki ban. It's an IP (or username) ban, simply meaning that my IP needs to change, which does happen each time my modem goes on the blink (happens alot during thunderstorms :( ). Either way, I said I could easily, not that I would and even if I did, it STILL wouldn't be hacking. Unless, of course, you ban the entire Harrisburg/Baltimore/Washington DC area of the United States. I simply wished to piss you off to no ends. Why? It's somewhat amusing and so, so easy. And then there's the fact that COULD != WOULD/WILL. And why shouldn't I make it public? Why should I let you lie and squirm around behind the scenes with the Lyrans instead? After all, Shine's the one claiming I was telling HIM that Ronald was breaking all these rules... Which is amusing, as Shine and I hate each other now and Shine was arrested by the NAO for awhile when he admitted to selling information to Alexander Fel, then a member of the Galactic Empire. Hmm... No coincidence there... ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 8 Day 198 22:18	Since when...
Hal Breden	“ToS of the Compedia ” Well that's very nice. But unfortunately you can't get WvI banned - or otherwise punished in SWC - for breaking YOUR site's rules. You can ban him from your site, though. Go have fun with that. “include that you may NOT use the Compedia to breach ANY SWC Rules including the Spying rules. ” Very noble. You have a rule that people aren't allowed to break the rules. Genius. Now, let's look at that for a moment. The Spying rules include the two following: “# Infiltrate another group and then report or sell the information you gather about it to another group. # Sell, trade or give away classified information about your own group to person(s) that are not members of your or known allied groups. ” Is WvI a member of the Lyran Union? No. Has WvI ever been a member of the Lyran Union? No, since he's been leader of NAO since LU was formed. So, really, any information WvI has about LU can be spread freely by him without violating any rules. So unless there's going to be another unwritten rule "clarification" occuring, seems like case closed. ____________ "May the Grace of Ara go with you, and His Vengeance be wrought upon your enemies." Only fools and children dream of heroes.

Year 8 Day 200 7:25	Since when...
Gretchen O`hara	What a shame, I have been told what is going on, and WvI shouldn't of messed with Trent's stuff in the 1st place and none of this would have happened...but nooo, WvI just had to for his pleasurement. Oh I have also read every single post here so far, and WvI Lieing? this I have been told Liers should not be believed and it makes me wonder if I should believe anything he says anymore, I turn my back on that one. What were you Thing WvI messing around like that??? such childish work.

Year 8 Day 200 7:34	Since when...
Ridley Forge	Ms O'Hara, would you please explain your post? If Mr Hackworth had intended the site to be a static entity, which people would not be able to edit, I daresay he'd have made it as a standard website in html or php. A wiki is designed to be a dynamic entity in which users can collaborate to generate large repositories of information. I agree that liars can rarely be trusted, but I see no occasion in this 'incident' where Count Ismay has lied. Please feel free to elaborate though. ____________

Year 8 Day 200 10:16	Since when...
Wilhelm von Ismay	Gretchen is still upset with me because I let the Council of Members ban her when she was threatening members' lives and safety in SWV in an out of character level because they disagreed or argued with her/her friends. And threatening to put curses on them. Gretchen, sadly, only listens to one side of a story from habitual liars like Shine or Hackworth. She tends to act before getting any form of truth. It's quite sad, really. If one person disagrees with her friend, the other person MUST be a liar as her friends can do no wrong. ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
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