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Year 14 Day 82 7:05	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Belloq Tull	Has something recently changed in the combat equation? Here's why I ask: Over the past two days, my combat results have drastically changed. Before, I was able to hit successfully 95% of the time, along with my NPC squad, over all kinds of targets (bandits and creatures). But since sometime on Sunday night, I'm now receiving an inordinate number of "You hit it, but it was already dead" results. This is just me, not my NPC team members. Now, if there's only two targets, and your team has enough firepower to do a lot of damage to the non-leader, I'd expect to get a few "Already Dead" results. But I'm seeing the same thing when we're attacking a full 12-sentient bandit squad, where five or more are still alive, and I've gotten an "Already Dead" result, which never used to happen before. In the past 36 hours or so, I've gotten almost 50% "AD" results, where I used to get maybe 10% at most, and that only for a short period of time. So, back to my original question: has something changed with the combat equation? For example, is the equation now including Speed to determine who gets off the first shot, and my NPCs are simply killing my targets before I get a chance to fire? If that's the case, wouldn't it be more likely that I'd pick a different target, especially if with a multi-shot weapon, I'm now receiving 4 or 5 out of 7 shots of hitting an "AD" target, when there are still more than half of a bandit squad or creature pack still alive? Edited By: Belloq Tull on Year 14 Day 82 7:07 ____________

Year 14 Day 82 7:22	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Syn	No changes made at all, any changes to the equation or to weapon stats would be on the sim news ____________

Year 14 Day 82 10:09	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Belloq Tull	It's very peculiar: I have no troubles when I'm hitting large hp targets (Vractyls, Krayt Dragons, Space Slugs); I can still hit 95% or more of the time. But when attacking bandits or other small hp targets, it's like I'm only hitting already dead targets. Maybe I need to fix the sights on my weapon. (:^/) Thanks, Syn. ____________

Year 14 Day 83 1:59	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Abyhsen Squeegor	That's probably because you are shooting after your party shoots. Happens to me most of the time :) Edited By: Abyhsen Squeegor on Year 14 Day 83 1:59

Year 14 Day 84 14:39	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Davin Markyle	This wouldn,t bug me as much if you still got the xp. You should get xp for a hit and none for a miss regardless of whether your target is dead because you cant affect tatget selection, especially as there is no defence xp now.

Year 14 Day 84 17:23	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
J`dej An`k	There is already some suggestion about it. At least one. But, even if i get most of my xp through hunting, would not like it to be implemented. Hunting gives much more xp than anything else, with no risk. ____________ Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains.

Year 14 Day 84 18:07	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Maha Michi	“You should get xp for a hit and none for a miss regardless of whether your target is dead ” Disagree. There is nothing to really be gained from hitting a non-moving target unless you are maybe a sniper. If you aren't a sniper and are standing close to it, that doesn't take any skill (shouldn't get any XP). ____________

Year 14 Day 84 18:18	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Daehd Moroz	“There is nothing to really be gained from hitting a non-moving target ” Is a dead target always a non-moving target? :) This is a simulation, so it might be that my NPCs kill some bandit with their shots, that bandit starts falling to the ground in slow motion/or continuous running by inertia/etc... ...and then a second after my NPCs I shoot him, in this case it takes as much skill to shoot, technically, a corpse as it would a living being :) It all depends on how you imagine this simulation. Edited By: Daehd Moroz on Year 14 Day 84 18:20

Year 14 Day 84 22:10	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Syn	No xp for killing things that are already dead. The only way to avoid having your kills sniped by your party is to not bring a party (and use a one-shot weapon when your targets start to get low). You can choose to favour efficient XP gains or expedient killing, but not both simultaneously. ____________

Year 14 Day 85 10:56	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Jesfa	^ If my entire 13 man squad opens up on 1 Jawa. We shouldn't all get XP, since it died like 7 shots in. ____________

Year 14 Day 85 20:39	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Vaas Dae`skal	No but you'd think if you unload on 13 jawas and you watch one die you'd stop shooting at it when there are 12 more lives ones right there.

Year 14 Day 85 21:05	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Kendall Holm	You havent heard of Jodi Arias have you? She shot a person in the face, stabbed them 27 times and almost decapitated them. But in all seriousness yeah you would think you would stop shooting a dead body. ____________

Year 14 Day 85 21:19	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Syn	You do stop shooting once you see that it is dead. But each round of combat occurs all at once -- all of your men shoot together. They can't pause their shots mid-air and redirect them. In the next round no one shoots at the corpse anymore. ____________

Year 14 Day 85 21:49	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Vaas Dae`skal	Each of my squad takes 8 shots a round, I don't know about you, but I don't shoot 8 shoots at once at multiple targets without looking around

Year 14 Day 85 23:21	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Syn	You do here; that's why you can't split off any of your shots at a different squad, or only shoot a few of them intentionally. That's just a game balance decision. To go a somewhat more realistic route we'd need to consider the first attacks from you + your squad all landing simultaneously, then the second attacks, and so on -- but would also need to add modifiers to every single weapon since some NPWs can't be swung as quickly, and some PWs can't be fired as quickly, but that's being considered in the form of # of hits instead, hence this outcome. Don't need to like it but it isn't changing either. Edited By: Syn on Year 14 Day 85 23:25 ____________

Year 14 Day 91 23:32	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Belloq Tull	Syn, can something be done to modify the way leaders are immune until the last creature or bandit in their squad is dead? For example, there are two healthy Vractyl, each starting off with 1,320 hp. You can fire at the non-leader until it's down to, say, 20 hp left. But when you fire next time, it's like he's a magnet for all your squad's weaponry, and they can't figure out when it's time to shift fire to the leader. I should mention, this isn't always the case. There are times when your squad (and you) will figure out that the leader is now fair game, and shift their fire. But too often, you waste more than half your fire at a now-dead target, rather than figuring out that there's a still-live target standing right next door. Can the equation that determines when the leader is fair game be tweaked, so that fewer shots are wasted? ____________

Year 14 Day 92 0:20	Unusually High Number of "Already Dead" Combat Results
Syn	The leader will never be fair game until everyone else is dead. Beyond that, I don't know what the code looks like so that's up to Zhao, but you can always fire solo or use a one-shot weapon when it's nearing only the leader remaining. ____________

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