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Year 6 Day 72 10:25	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Teniel Djo	The rules page is crapped, since even the rules team doesn't know how OOF a/e works, we had a fairly long conversation trying to decide the answer to the following questions -If an Imperial pilot comes aboard an Eidola Capital Ship at Coruscant, who has the power to OOF a/e? -Onboard an Eidola ship currently in Hyper, who has the power to OOF a/e? -Onboard a GE ship currently in Hyper, who has the power to OOF a/e? -What was the rationale behind claiming only 6 factions can arrest/execute on their own capital ships? -Do Security Factions have the ability to OOF a/e? In hyper? ____________

Year 6 Day 74 3:12	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Darek Xearz	I think I read somewhere that security factions only have the power to arrest oof, but not execute... although I could be wrong about that one.

Year 6 Day 74 3:31	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Wilhelm von Ismay	I thought that either way, they'd need government or at least GE approval depending on the location. ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 6 Day 74 7:20	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Tyr DeMeer	as far as I know its like this: If an Imperial pilot comes aboard an Eidola Capital Ship at Coruscant, who has the power to OOF a/e? The imperial since eidola is not considered to be a govermetn faction. -Onboard an Eidola ship currently in Hyper, who has the power to OOF a/e? Imperials or factions that got the privs from the GE -Onboard a GE ship currently in Hyper, who has the power to OOF a/e? GE or factions that got the privs from the GE. -What was the rationale behind claiming only 6 factions can arrest/execute on their own capital ships? No idea, just decided that govermenttype factions had it by defualt. -Do Security Factions have the ability to OOF a/e? In hyper? If assigned the needed privs. also, what Wilhelm say. security groups needs to have the OOF A&E privs given to them by the various govermernts. They do not have it by defualt. ____________

Year 6 Day 74 9:52	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Teniel Djo	So...the GE is not only the default for unoccupied system and systems controlled by Black Sun, but they also magically control hyper? Consider this a formal complaint ;) ____________

Year 6 Day 74 11:19	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Wilhelm von Ismay	Hyper, YOUR capships, my capships, etc. Makes no sense. Security groups at the very least should be able to arrest and possibly execute within their own cities, ships, etc. Pirates would make sense as well. Possibly Mercs too. Other Paramils don't really make much sense when it comes to that. ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 6 Day 74 16:05	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Syn	It seems a tiny bit unrealistic if a single Imperial cadet (or other rank of your choice) can board the Teta, stroll casually past the crew onto the bridge, and arrest and behead Teniel (or other pirate cap'n of your choice) without anyone lifting a finger. ____________

Year 6 Day 74 20:39	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Cam Antilles	Yeah, but this is what happens when items are programmed w/o them ever been seen by the Rules Team. Enjoy. ____________ "Somewhere, there's a bullet with your name on it. The trick is to die of age before it finds you"

Year 6 Day 74 21:37	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Teniel Djo	Entitled "Questions for the Admins, this is clearly aimed away from the rules team who has their own forums, and directly at those who instituted things this way. ____________

Year 6 Day 75 17:37	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Rune Tao	So, is it correct to understand that GE holds oof a/e privs for any space not specifically controlled by one of the other govs? Falling into this would be unsectored space and systems listed as government: None. Does their position as "Galactic Government" give them control over unclaimed areas? ____________

Year 6 Day 75 18:18	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Wilhelm von Ismay	Though not an Admin, I believe that's a "yes". They'd only lose control and BHers have free reign if a non-government faction controlled the Galaxy. ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 6 Day 75 23:00	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Khan	Yup ____________ Kids these days!

Year 6 Day 75 23:16	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Teniel Djo	So at the very least then, I would suggest that -Security Groups are able to issue their own warrants in their own systems -Bounty Hunters, Pirates and Mercenaries are allowed to do the same -Hyperspace is ruled to be the domain of the faction whose capital ship it is, and in lieu of that, has no territorial control and does not default to GE, one simply cannoy arrest in hyper ____________

Year 6 Day 78 17:59	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Vodo Bonias	All non-government controlled locations represent GE space as far as the A/E OOF feature is concerned. A GE capital ship is considered GE government space even if they are in orbit over Republica (and vice versa of RA in orbit of Coruscant). That means an RA agent cannot A/E OOF someone aboard a government controlled capital ship in orbit over their planet or system unless they belong to a faction that has been authorized to A/E on their behalf. Non-government controlled cap ships (eidola for example) are considered the territory of the controlling government. I do not think anyone can arrest out of faction when the ship is in hyper (not even the GE) unless the arresting ship is a CAP controlled by the government. Only in faction A/E can occur while in hyper when the ship is not a government controlled cap. Security factions, mercenary groups and bounty hunters will more than likely not be given government status because they are not governments. They provide services to the government. I never see a pirate faction being given government status. Teniel kind of reminds of me of the Iraqi Cleric, Al-Sadyr. He terrorizes, steals and kills people through his religious militia and then claims he does it because he wants to transform his militia into a political party. A noble aspiration for a Pirate. Edited By: Vodo Bonias on Year 6 Day 78 18:07

Year 6 Day 78 18:58	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Teniel Djo	____________

Year 6 Day 78 19:20	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Teniel Djo	[21:01] {Tom_Servo} Yeah, and he compared you to { trendy comparison to current individual terrorist}! For the record, al-Sadr promised to disband his militia in early 2004 and joined the political process to run for election in the recent elections. 67% of Iraqis have said that they support him, interestingly he has also stated his intentions to create a "Islamic Democracy", and is only opposed to the US-intervention and occupation. I'm not sure I see how Teniel Djo is at all similar to that. Edited By: Teniel Djo on Year 6 Day 78 19:22 ____________

Year 6 Day 78 20:03	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Wilhelm von Ismay	“Security factions, mercenary groups and bounty hunters will more than likely not be given government status because they are not governments. They provide services to the government. I never see a pirate faction being given government status. ” I'm trying to figure the logic behind this. If you are trying to use real life as an excuse (as it would seem with your comparison of Teniel to terrorists), you're mistaken. Through the past 2000 years mercenaries, religious organizations. paramilitary armies (security factions), pirates, and hell, even assassins and bounty hunters HAVE taken over regions of this little planet we call Earth. If you go by Star Wars, there were smugglers, pirates, mercs, etc that controlled entire regions of space. So yeah. Do you actually have any logical reason to try to say why any of these types of groups, when they meet the requirements in the rules. shouldn't be given government status? Which really has nothing to do with this discussion, unless you mean factions (of ALL types) controlling worlds, systems and even whole Sectors. In which case, you should stop Townsend from calling himself a Moff or governor of any space that SFS controls. ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 6 Day 78 21:30	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Teniel Djo	Shhh, he's comparing the Empire's (IC) war against Eidola to the US's attempts to win over Iraq :) That makes me..a succeeding and popular leader with the support of the common people...and him...well he's George Bush. ____________

Year 6 Day 78 21:50	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Wilhelm von Ismay	Don't insult George Bush so. ____________ Patriarch of House Ismay
Year 6 Day 80 10:53	A few questions regarding OOF a/e
Ezekiel	I agree that Security factions should have OOF A/E in systems they own. ____________

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