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Year 8 Day 169 22:25	Thyferra Bug Report?
Arturus Goth	I thought the admins were investigating the Thyferra situation and were going to release a report on it. Is this still the case, as it has been 3-4 months now. Not trying to start a flame thread, but I just want to know if I should still be expecting to hear the results of the discussion or not. If so, any idea when? Thanks in advance for the response. Edited By: Arturus Goth on Year 8 Day 169 22:26

Year 8 Day 170 0:46	Thyferra Bug Report?
Jeb`el Ras	/me sweeps Goth back under the carpet ____________ ' ' ', ` Jeb`el eXiles CEO Galactic Federation of Free Alliances Senator Commodore (ret), DCMF When all its work is done, the lie shall rot; The truth is great, and shall prevail, When none cares whether it prevail or not. - Coventr

Year 8 Day 170 11:14	Thyferra Bug Report?
Xavze Zavan	I sure wouldn't want to be the person that has to sort out when who did what and where. ____________ How would you like to pay income tax EVERY month?

Year 8 Day 170 12:21	Thyferra Bug Report?
Guest/Visitor	Exploiting the 1-2 month window where arresting was not allowed is perfectly valid. I doubt there will be any investigation at all.

Year 8 Day 170 14:14	Thyferra Bug Report?
Hal Breden	I think he's referring more to the twin bugs of arresting people not pausing construction, and arrested workers being able to be used to start new construction projects (or used to resume construction). Both bugs have now been fixed, but if control of Thyferra was taken due to them... I echo Xavze that I'm damn glad I'm not the one supposed to be figuring it out. ____________ "May the Grace of Ara go with you, and His Vengeance be wrought upon your enemies." Only fools and children dream of heroes.

Year 8 Day 170 21:55	Thyferra Bug Report?
Khan	raises weary hand This was the poor bugger that somehow ended up handling it. It took up something on the order of 40 hours. shakes fist I did a report covering the two issues and then a further analysis later covering the two planets that were still in doubt (Tatooine & Thyferra). The first report found that the bug allowing arrested workers to be used to start/resume construction didn't appear to have any significant affect because the number of facilities affected were small and my fixer script did so for some shortly after they were started/resumed. On construction not pausing when all NPCs were arrested it found no bug and that the likely cause for it to appear was the use of stealthy and decoy NPCs by the NR and her allies. About a month after that I did the analysis of Tatooine & Thyferra. Tatooine was simple since the NR and Friends built many times more than NIO and there was hardly any building in response. Thyferra required more work. My script found six facilities affected by the bug, of which only one had all the NPCs arrested and three which didn't have that data available. The detection and fixing of those affected by the bug occurred either just before or around the time of the NR and Friends taking control. Since almost all of their facilities started within the same 24 period we could construe that the script would have been checking most of them. Considering that it was possible that it didn't it was found that the NR and Friends needed aprox. 66% of their facilities to be delayed for several days for them to not take control when they did. If someone higher up gives the ok 'll dig around and find the full reports. ____________ Kids these days!

Year 8 Day 172 11:05	Thyferra Bug Report?
Seele	Not to rain on your parade, Khan....the NIO reported the first instances of the build bug on Tatooine weeks before the Admins even bothered to respond. Which was a nice response of "Oh, I passed it to Khan." and when you were questioned, you said you knew nothing of it, and were too busy so passing it onto Kyle. I spoke to Kyle about a week after that and he didn't know anything about it either until I approached him, and he then confirmed a number of buildings that had completed on Tatooine with no NPC builders present. The delaying of 66% of their facilities for several days is actually not much of an issue when you have 30 odd players crawling across the surface of a single planet, where about only five cities were being built in. The Admins did not act for over a month after we initially reported the issue, and it was only after constant check-ups from me that anything was done about it at all. I even had confirmation from the Falleen Federation they were aware of some of their buildings completing without NPCs (only after I confronted them about it though). I'm sure SSC, which kept some very hawklike eyes on Tatooine were aware of some of their facilities completing as well, despite their assurances contrary. Heck, all the NIO needed was for 200 flats to be delayed 2 days and we would've retained control of Tatooine. I wouldn't have minded if we lost Tatooine without any bug being involved. Would've shrugged my shoulders and carried on with my work, I don't win them all. However when we lost it due to a bug confirmed to be present by an Admin, when it was completely avoidable, when we reported the issue over a month before it became a serious problem; that pisses me off. I don't expect the Admins to reverse what happened, too late for that now. I don't expect for them to reimburse the NIO the 25 Mil we spent on Tatooine. I just want to say "I'm angry" and leave it at that. ____________ "Seele's Law: As a New Republic Senate discussion grows longer, the probability of comparison involving the Galactic Empire approaches 1."

Year 8 Day 172 19:51	Thyferra Bug Report?
Khan	hmm. Did you guys control any other cities on Tatooine aside from those five I found and confirmed? Those five plus the facilities you had in NPC and private cities were nowhere near the build the NR and Friends was doing. ____________ Kids these days!

Year 8 Day 173 4:31	Thyferra Bug Report?
Seele	I will give you access to the NIO records of Tatooine to see what was there and what happened when. ____________ "Seele's Law: As a New Republic Senate discussion grows longer, the probability of comparison involving the Galactic Empire approaches 1."

Year 8 Day 182 6:43	Thyferra Bug Report?
Arturus Goth	The same problem for us occurred on Morvogdine in the Calaron Sector, and on Skor II. We still won Skor, but not Morv. Thank you for the response, Khan.

Year 8 Day 183 2:16	Thyferra Bug Report?
Khan	Morvo was on my detection/fixer script when I was looking at the other planets but I didn't do anything further on it when I went on to look at Tat, Thyf, etc, so I can't really speak to it. No worries. ____________ Kids these days!

Year 8 Day 184 15:56	Thyferra Bug Report?
Oilios Katastrefor	From an OOC point of view, Morv. may very well have been a victory due to the bug, but it may very well have not have been. It was a tight race, and we were using clawdites. I know some of the facilities at Skor II finished not because of a bug, but because you didn't see our NPC with stealth of 3 there, as 9/10 of the npcs were arrested. I do know there was a bug @ morvogodine as I believe a screenshot was taken, however I'm not entirely sure the exact details of how much was left on the building, whether or not it was corrected and halted etc, and whether or not it happened on more than just the one building. It could have been either way, and I don't think I can say with confidence how it would have ended without the bug. It could have gone to the NR, it could have stayed imperial However, on the other hand, we're also kindof stuck in that this was 3-4 months ago, and lots of time, resources and money have been invested to secure the planet since then. Even if it is found that the bug resulted in victory, how can it be worked out in a way that does not screw either side? Perhaps some sort of compromise can be worked out between the two parties that is good for both, rather than having a ruling that will screw one or the other side. Edited By: Oilios Katastrefor on Year 8 Day 184 16:02

Year 8 Day 185 2:13	Thyferra Bug Report?
Alph Virphen	There were several NPCs on Morvgodine rounded up and reused by RA officers after the buildings were finished and control was taken, not possible if they had finished due to the under arrest bug. The GE simply never arrested them. From what I can remember on Morvogodine the number of NPCs we reused did match the (very small) number working on the planet when control was taken, although I couldn't swear to it. On Skor II, there was at least one Tusken Raiden NPC the GE tried to arrest seemingly every day for a week or more as it slowly finished as skyscraper, on its own, once again not possible if this bug was in effect. It's impossible to say if the bug had any effect on either planet as we simply weren't aware of it then, so it was impossible to take the steps we did later to try and prevent it happening (unassigning NPCs as they were arrested). What is certain on the other hand is that there were facilities that finished legitimately on both of these planets. Edited By: Alph Virphen on Year 8 Day 185 2:14

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