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Year 12 Day 178 11:22	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Guest/Visitor	Okay, my thread got deleted because I cannot use HTML without logging in. When I log in, I'm banned, so I cannot use bold, so instead I'll unleash the caps locks fury, sorry. ----------------------------------------- Drestin von Degistern and Siarica Aylina have been banned for 30 days for breaking the IC/OOC separation, as Siarica gave Drestin assets to help him get started the moment he spawned. Yes, this is against the rules. Don't believe me? Look here! ------------------------------------------ Now, let's have a look at the rules, with the caps lock fury for enlighting my words. ------------------------------------------ 3.3.1/ What happens to your Items Since your new character has no relation to your old character (the server does not recognize family relations, even if you choose to roleplay as the family member of your old character), YOUR OLD CHARACTER'S ASSETS CANNOT BE RETURNED TO YOU. You are NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE A WILL OF ANY SORT that would result in YOUR NEW CHARACTER getting YOUR OLD CHARACTER'S ITEMS. Doing so is a violation of the golden rule (IC/OOC separation) and will be punished. ------------------------------------------- As you may notice, you cannot GIVE BACK THE ASSETS PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY THE RESPAWNED PLAYER. There is, however NO RULE forbiding you from OFFERING HELP TO NEW CHARACTERS. Can I see the rule I broke, please?

Year 12 Day 178 11:28	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Stefan Corleone	Yes. Giving items that never belonged to a character ISN'T and HASN'T ever been against the rules. I've gone over the whole 'Life and Death' thing and as long as that character hasn't owned the item/ship/etc it isn't against the rules. ____________ Prince of House Corleone

Year 12 Day 178 11:30	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Shuji Shizuka	I like how any time that anyone complains about IC/OOC seperation, the official stance is,'We can't prove anything' But in this case, it's totally fine to ban someone based on this. ____________ This user is currently in the process of moving, and so is semi-inactive.

Year 12 Day 178 11:30	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Gombol Kabbs	None there, honestly. It's just an unfair ban. You didn't own the old assets, it could just be a freindly person giving money away, In Characterly. I mean, I'm IC as a human being RL. And I could walk up to the "CHILDREN IN STARVING AFRICA Charity number 9999999" and give them some money. Will I get banned from Life because I gave a new person to this world a decent chance to live? No? same applies here.

Year 12 Day 178 11:49	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Michael Nighthaven	If giving assets to a recreate is illegal this is the first time i've ever seen it enforced. ____________

Year 12 Day 178 12:10	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Ashura Harma	Any way I turn it, I don't see how Siarica infringed on the rules. After all, giving a boost to new characters has always been done. Hell, there was even whole NFGs dedicated to the task of giving help to noobs. Or we could take example of the Grumpy's Rejuvenation Machine. In TAC, Ralgarrch always advised people to recreate character along one of his templates, and flagged that although the rules forbid any kind of will, nothing prevents him to give a big recruitment bonus for having perfect skills, compensating the loss of assets in recreation process. ____________ "bottom line is we need to see what admin reason is.jenos obviously doesnt just ban for shits n giggles.i am sure he will report to us what the evidence is in this matter." Diabolus`ut Persolvo

Year 12 Day 178 12:13	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Incendia Parvulus	I feel it was pure generosity, and There was no intention of breaking the rules. The only way I can see how they broke the rules is if, The player she helped out owned the items, sold them, Those items circled around the market, They ended up with Siarica, And without knowing they belonged to his former character, gave them to him. That is the only way I see there being any problem at all. ____________

Year 12 Day 178 13:11	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Jennavecia Corleone	Just another case of an asim making up rules. I would if this means me and Jamis will be banned because he gifted me a ship when I recreated earlier this week. :/ Edited By: Jennavecia Corleone on Year 12 Day 178 13:13 ____________ Anything can be a weapon if you're holding it right.

Year 12 Day 178 13:24	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Ayva Kilvaari	For me it's an IC/OOC issue. Bannable. Siarica was the one who killed Drestin's previous character, and now, as he recreated, she sent him some cash. You really don't see anything wrong there?

Year 12 Day 178 13:32	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Stefan Corleone	its not a matter of seeing anything wrong, its the fact THERE isnt anything wrong. The fact she killed one of his characters and then is friends with another is clearly a IC/OOC Separation. Continueing to hate someones remake because of their previous characters is breaking the ic/ooc separation, which is what you seem to want people to do Ayva. ____________ Prince of House Corleone

Year 12 Day 178 13:32	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Hal Breden	Everybody stop guessing and muddying the issue. There's probably more detail that you aren't aware of, so shut up and let Jenos respond. ____________ "May the Grace of Ara go with you, and His Vengeance be wrought upon your enemies." Only fools and children dream of heroes.

Year 12 Day 178 14:01	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Diabolus`ut Persolvo	whether jenos replies to this or not i personally in my expieriences with him can say hes as unbiased an asmin as ive yet to see.theres a huge differance between giving a known recreate new player a good start with a small starter ship as an IC thing.....we all do that......what it boils down to is what all was given to said recreate and more importantly....WHY.i personally am confident jenos knows the difference between charity\helping noobs and ooc laundering of assets. ____________

Year 12 Day 178 14:37	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Guest/Visitor	I don't think some of you understand. The only thing she sent me was 10 million credits (No other assets). No, she did not kill my last character. No, I did not ever send her anything, especially not with the intention of having it returned. I, like a few others, still fail to see the IC/OOC separation rule being broken. ;/

Year 12 Day 178 14:47	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Diabolus`ut Persolvo	the point is WHY ICly did she give you 10m that gave the admins a justified reason to call this a bannable IC/OOC offense.and until jenos tells us what that reason is all we are doing is speculating. ____________

Year 12 Day 178 15:20	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Guest/Visitor	Sia speaking here. Regarding to Drestin and me, here is the full OOC backstory: - The only trade who happened between Drestin and me happened when I was scammed by Drestin's previous character (2 characters ago, exactly). On Y 12 day 74, he scammed me of 2,700,000 credits. It has been my only transaction with him, and he didn't completed his side of the deal. - About drestin's previous character, I have been remotely linked to his death, but this is not the topic of the day. I escorted him to safety, and he was executed against my will. Now, back on topic. Speaking of IC/OOC separation, Drestin have nice logs of Keir promising to Tkyro Vex-Taldin a ship if he respawned as a female Ishi Tib. If some admins wish to check her inventory, Eidola made over to Drestin von Degistern an YT-1760. I think Drestin can provide the logs where Keir confirmed the deal. Making over stuff to new players is a very common practice. As miss Corleone said, she received a ship as soon as she spawned. As Diabolus himself said, "giving a known recreate new player a good start with a small starter ship as an IC thing.....we all do that..." Some other examples: - As soon as respawned, A. received a CR-90A corvette - B. gave to C. an YT-2000 as soon as he respawned - D. gave to E. a Sprint-Class rescue raft when he respawned. (names have been obviously edited, but all theses cases have been reported to me less than 4 hours ago by the people who did it.) Now... what did I done that no one else did? Where did I broke the rules, where everyone else did it without encountering the aSims' wrath?

Year 12 Day 178 15:24	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Kai Gurago	“ For me it's an IC/OOC issue. Bannable. Siarica was the one who killed Drestin's previous character, and now, as he recreated, she sent him some cash. You really don't see anything wrong there? ” I can see how this can be ban able BUT she didn't kill his old character I did so that can't be used against her. also if she can show an IC Roleplay logs with this new character I see no reason for her to be banned Year 12 Day 156, 22:50 Tkyro Vex-Taldin has been executed by Kai Gurago. Year 12 Day 156, 22:48 Tkyro Vex-Taldin has been arrested by Kai Gurago.

Year 12 Day 178 15:32	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Ayva Kilvaari	I apologize. Drestin told us on irc that Siarica was the one who executed him.

Year 12 Day 178 15:34	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Guest/Visitor	Drestin here. No Ayva, I told you that Siarica took me to my death. Huge difference.

Year 12 Day 178 15:42	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Diabolus`ut Persolvo	bottom line is we need to see what admin reason is.jenos obviously doesnt just ban for shits n giggles.i am sure he will report to us what the evidence is in this matter. ____________

Year 12 Day 178 23:41	IC/OOC separation. Yes, it's that difficult.
Tyr DeMeer	for the record, this is not the first time this is being enforced. both for making over assets which was "hold" by someone while another char was recreated nor for people suddenly got a large amount of assets in worth. if a new char suddenly got hands on lots of credits or assets a short while after recreation it has most likely nothing to do with IC but is all OOC. ____________

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